Comments on: Tigers Starting Rotation Thoughts http://www.dtownbaseball.com/2007/01/20/tigers-starting-rotation-thoughts/ A Detroit Tiger Blog Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:49:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: LOGAN http://www.dtownbaseball.com/2007/01/20/tigers-starting-rotation-thoughts/#comment-5946 LOGAN Wed, 05 Sep 2007 09:30:22 +0000 http://www.dtownbaseball.com/2007/01/20/tigers-starting-rotation-thoughts/#comment-5946 TIGERS ROCKS TIGERS ROCKS

]]> By: Eric Jackson http://www.dtownbaseball.com/2007/01/20/tigers-starting-rotation-thoughts/#comment-49 Eric Jackson Tue, 23 Jan 2007 02:28:58 +0000 http://www.dtownbaseball.com/2007/01/20/tigers-starting-rotation-thoughts/#comment-49 I've been having a blast with the retrosheet data. Really makes life pretty easy. Too bad it only comes out long after the season. I’ve been having a blast with the retrosheet data. Really makes life pretty easy. Too bad it only comes out long after the season.

]]> By: Lee Panas http://www.dtownbaseball.com/2007/01/20/tigers-starting-rotation-thoughts/#comment-47 Lee Panas Mon, 22 Jan 2007 05:16:34 +0000 http://www.dtownbaseball.com/2007/01/20/tigers-starting-rotation-thoughts/#comment-47 I don't think #1, #2, #3, etc matters very much for the reasons you stated. I agree with Kurt that managers worry more about alternating lefty/righty and hard/soft. Being the #1 starter on opening day is a big deal because of tradition but after that I don't think it matters. Match-ups seem to become more important in the playoffs. I'm glad to see somebody else using the retrosheet database. I'm really getting into that myself right now. I don’t think #1, #2, #3, etc matters very much for the reasons you stated. I agree with Kurt that managers worry more about alternating lefty/righty and hard/soft. Being the #1 starter on opening day is a big deal because of tradition but after that I don’t think it matters. Match-ups seem to become more important in the playoffs.

I’m glad to see somebody else using the retrosheet database. I’m really getting into that myself right now.

]]> By: Eric Jackson http://www.dtownbaseball.com/2007/01/20/tigers-starting-rotation-thoughts/#comment-45 Eric Jackson Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:02:30 +0000 http://www.dtownbaseball.com/2007/01/20/tigers-starting-rotation-thoughts/#comment-45 Hey Kurt, I agree with you that overall it can be fruitless to put too much into the order. I think my point is that every year many folks make this a big deal, your #1 starter, etc. Also setting it up to have you #1 guy against the other teams #1 guy also takes participation by all teams involved. This isn't too likely and if I was managing a low-on-talent team where each one of my pitchers was below the opposing pitcher it would be worth it to switch my lineup. I would put my worst guy against the opposing teams best and have my best against their worst. I might concede a few games but maybe a better chance at winning more. Since either of those outcomes are unlikely to actually happen, then maybe there are things that would make more sense to base your line up on. These would be factors that don't change and aren't dependent on the other team. Home vs Away, which away fields a pitcher will see, there are probably many more. Hey Kurt, I agree with you that overall it can be fruitless to put too much into the order. I think my point is that every year many folks make this a big deal, your #1 starter, etc.

Also setting it up to have you #1 guy against the other teams #1 guy also takes participation by all teams involved. This isn’t too likely and if I was managing a low-on-talent team where each one of my pitchers was below the opposing pitcher it would be worth it to switch my lineup. I would put my worst guy against the opposing teams best and have my best against their worst. I might concede a few games but maybe a better chance at winning more.

Since either of those outcomes are unlikely to actually happen, then maybe there are things that would make more sense to base your line up on. These would be factors that don’t change and aren’t dependent on the other team. Home vs Away, which away fields a pitcher will see, there are probably many more.

]]> By: Kurt http://www.dtownbaseball.com/2007/01/20/tigers-starting-rotation-thoughts/#comment-44 Kurt Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:31:32 +0000 http://www.dtownbaseball.com/2007/01/20/tigers-starting-rotation-thoughts/#comment-44 In an ideal world, all your starters start the same amount of games, but the first and second starter of the season start the 161st and 162nd game so maybe you'd want the top 2 to get extra starts. But it really doesn't work like that anyway, with skipped starts or skipped starters. And then based on the fact teams have different off days and weather cancels games, and you really can't try to match 1 against 1, 2 against 2, or whatever, I don't really think there's a purpose to putting your top 5 in order. I think it's more trying to mix up the type of pitchers opponents will see in a 3 game series, be it lefty, righty, lefty, or power, finesse, power, whatever. I think you still try to get your best guys pitching first, but a month into the season, mismatches are already occuring anyway. In an ideal world, all your starters start the same amount of games, but the first and second starter of the season start the 161st and 162nd game so maybe you’d want the top 2 to get extra starts. But it really doesn’t work like that anyway, with skipped starts or skipped starters.

And then based on the fact teams have different off days and weather cancels games, and you really can’t try to match 1 against 1, 2 against 2, or whatever, I don’t really think there’s a purpose to putting your top 5 in order.

I think it’s more trying to mix up the type of pitchers opponents will see in a 3 game series, be it lefty, righty, lefty, or power, finesse, power, whatever. I think you still try to get your best guys pitching first, but a month into the season, mismatches are already occuring anyway.

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